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Time to Criminally Indict Pelosi, Reid, et.al.

Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:39:34 PM PDT

Well now we have our smoking gun.

We now know why impeachment has been off the table, and why they pushed for (torture & surveillance) immunity from lawsuits. All this while, we've been accusing them of supine fecklessness when it's been nothing of the sort. It's just plain old craven, dirty CYA Washington politics as usual.

But they forgot to immunize themselves from prosecution, and Chimpy's not likely to pardon them like he would his buddies.

A multi-count federal criminal indictment against Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Rockefeller and the rest for criminal collaboration and conspiracy in war crimes, illegal surveillance and torture would garner substantial well-deserved attention to their crimes & complicity and send a clear & resounding message to current and future elected officials and their appointees.

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Criminally Indict Pelosi, et.al?

72%84 votes
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A hand I will not shake

Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 07:51:31 AM PDT

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The first hand George W. Bush shook was Sen. Jay Rockefeller's at the signing ceremony yesterday.

Congress explores blanket immunity for Rove

Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 03:01:21 PM PDT

AP, WASHINGTON - Democratic Congressional leaders have responded to Bush administration advisor Karl Rove's refusal to obey a congressional subpoena by proposing legislation that would render him immune from prosecution for any crimes he may have committed or may commit in the future.

The bill, expected to land in committee next Monday, has been named the Duty and Honor Act.

"We are a nation of laws," said sponsor Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), "By exempting Mr. Rove from these laws, this legislation will ensure that no lawbreakers in this corrupt administration will go unpunished, as they will have committed no crimes."

Specter and Rockefeller spill the beans on FISA

Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:48:18 PM PDT

In today's Senate debate about FISA, Senator Specter pointed out that most members of Congress do not even know what the program was, but still are being asked to grant immunity. Senator Rockefeller responded by reading his own tote list of how many senators were briefed on the secret program: 37 members of the Senate.
   Specter responded that his figures for the House are: 95 members in the House were briefed. He went on to argue that these figures still show that a majority in both houses were ignorant about the program.
   But I think the more important point is that the key leadership of both parties in both houses knew all along, and are protecting their own asses with the immunity bill.

Jay Rockefeller is a stone moron, Part II

Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:35:17 PM PDT

Jay Rockefeller, on the Senate floor, speaking in opposition to the Bingaman amendment:

Mr. President, Senator Bingaman, who I greatly respect in all ways, has offered an amendment altering the liability protections of Title II. That's it. His amendment would postpone the implementation of the liability protections until after 90 days [after] the submission of the final report of the Inspectors General required under Title II. Now, I appreciate the Senator's desire to have more information out there, but I want the Senate as a whole to contemplate what we're asking here. We're talking about a year for the Inspectors General to complete their report. Well, you know, does it really work that way? Is it really a flat year? Are we going to send out federal marshals to have them all do their reports on the exact day? It'll probably stretch a little bit. Maybe it won't, maybe it will. But you can't assume it won't. And you've got to add on 90 days. And then you could get to the question of the immunity.

Uh, hey, good question, Senator! What will the Congress do if the Inspectors General don't complete their report on time? Or complete it at all? Or even start it?

Send out federal marshals? Ha ha! Yeah! Ha... oh, wait. That's actually a serious problem. What if the Inspectors General don't do the report?

Seriously. What if they just don't?

Why would they? What are you gonna do? Cut their budget so they will have even less chance of doing it? Pass a law saying the law saying they have to do the report is "exclusive?" Subpoena them? Hold them in contempt? Impeach the president?

So Rockefeller opposes the Bingaman amendment because the Congress has no way to make sure the IGs will finish on time, or finish at all.

What a damn moron.

How do all the people who feel certain the bill ensures "accountability" like that one?

Blockhead? Toddler? Whiny Bitch? Reactionary?

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 03:59:09 PM PDT

WTF is going on here?  The top diary on the recc list personally insults the site's founder, and comments w/i the diary go downhill from there?

I don't always agree w/ Markos.  I still think, for example, that he too casually dismissed the cloud of suspicion that hung around the 2004 election results.   I would never dream, however, of engaging in such personal invective against any poster on this site.  I sure as hell wouldn't do it against this site's founder.

Addington, Yoo, Pelosi, and The Godfather II

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 10:34:38 AM PDT

I had to laugh as confident Cheney hatchet man David Addington dropped Nancy Pelosi's name during torture hearings last week.  It was right out of the Senate hearings in The Godfather II - where the Corleones have systematically corrupted key legislators, and are sending tough, coded messages even in their own public testimony.  

Addington's message: 'Chairman Conyers, if these hearings go any further than today, I'll publicly ask why your precious Speaker - who my staff secretly briefed about these interrogation methods starting in 2002 - hasn't been called as a witness.  You've earned enough political capital; I won't be charged.  Don't push it.'

This perfectly fits an observation in yesterday's diary We Can End FISA Obstruction Next Week:

The Bush administration has done what the best con artists and criminals love to do: get The Mark involved in something illegal so they never go to the police - or even better, get police and prosecutors themselves involved.

We Can End FISA Obstruction Next Week

Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 05:51:04 PM PDT

We have an utterly unique opportunity between now and the day in July that FISA is raised again in the Senate.

Many recent diaries, a damning poll, and strong appearances by Prof. Jonathan Turley on Olbermann's Countdown (links below) all lead to the same conclusion: we - the Democratic base and increasingly the American people - are realizing that the Democrats in power are accessories, colluding with the Bush administration to prevent crimes they participated in from ever being prosecuted.

Turley makes the compelling (some would say obvious) case that Democrats' 'mysterious collapses' on FISA, Iraq, impeachment, even censure - almost every issue - has its roots in what Turley calls criminal collusion.  In the guise of "compromise", Democrats are carefully obstructing justice, sparing themselves from subpeonas and prosecution.

In the next 2 weeks we have our best chance - and maybe our last - for a "Mr Smith" moment where someone actually speaks this truth into the record on the Senate and House floor and changes the game.  

I have already begun speaking directly with Judiciary Chair John Conyers and his staff about this.

Let's use this forum to help make it happen.

What Pelosi REALLY Means!

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 11:46:49 AM PDT

Since day one, Pelosi has held that impeachment is off the table, but is that what she REALLY means? I think not! Follow me below the fold to find out more.

Hoyer and Rockefeller win prestigious conservative awards

Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:11:32 PM PDT

I'm live-blogging this evening from the prestigious Heritage Foundation Annual Democrat Capitulator Awards in Washington, DC.  Every year conservatives gather to heap praise upon those Democrats who are willing to compromise and work across the aisle with their fellow Republicans.  Of course, the dirty little secret that everyone in the room knows is that conservatives never given in, it's the Democrats always who cave in.

This evening they are honoring Steny Hoyer, the Democrat Majority Leader in the House and Jay Rockefeller, lead Democrat who pushed hardest for Bush and Cheney's FISA bill.  

Chronology of FISA's Retro-Immunity: KEY VIDEO SPEECHES 07-08

Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 11:03:03 PM PDT

UPDATED DIARY - beginning now with Mark Klein, the AT&T whistleblower, explaining why there should be no retroactive immunity.

On the flip, Russ Feingold, Chris Dodd & others speak FOR and against retroactive immunity -- and on the dangerous flaws of the various versions of the revisions to the FISA law.

Poll

Did you read this?

58%7 votes
41%5 votes

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How I learned to stop worrying and love the FISA bill

Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:59:49 PM PDT

The FISA Amendments Act has however generated controversy in some circles [HAND GESTURE].

"I don't have a formal opening statement."

Liberal critics contend that its provisions amount to a constitutional farce.

"I don't recall seeing this memorandum and I don't recall specific objections of this nature."

[CAMERA RIGHT] But supporters point out [HAND GESTURE] that it is a "strong bill".

"This bill represents a strong compromise between Republicans and Democrats, giving our intelligence officials the tools they need to keep America safe and strengthen civil liberties protections," said Rep. Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee.

"I don't recall specific concerns."

Most Democrats in Congress appear to concede that the compromise strikes the right balance [HAND GESTURE] between civil liberties and unchecked government surveillance.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said the new bill "balances the needs of our intelligence community with Americans' civil liberties, and provides critical new oversight and accountability requirements." [...]

"I don't remember doing something with this information."

Rockefeller, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the bill "will prevent any repeat of warrantless surveillance undertaken by the president and will hold our government accountable for its actions, past and future, through strengthened court review and congressional oversight."

"I don't remember doing that."

In many ways the bill mirrors the warrantless wiretapping program that President Bush secrectly began using in 2001.

But supporters say it also creates a legal framework for spying activities that will include significant oversight from Congress and the federal courts. [...]

"I don't recall being aware of any particular memoranda."

To address the inevitable spying that will occur on Americans in these communications, the legislation includes a number of provisions lawmakers believe will safeguard the privacy and rights of U.S. citizens.

"I don't know that I was aware of those."

In what supporters described as "rare cases," in which "critical intelligence could be lost," eavesdropping could begin before a court has an opportunity to authorize it.

"I mean, there are thousands and thousands and thousands of decisions made every day. This was one."

In such cases, officials would have to submit their surveillance plan within a week and the court would rule within a month.

"I don't know precisely when, and I cannot discuss it further without getting into classified information."

What critics of the bill fail to acknowledge is that it provides a key role for each branch of Government.

It assigns responsibilities jointly to the Attorney General (AG) and the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to ensure that the Nation's chief law enforcement and intelligence officials work together in collecting foreign intelligence in accordance with the law. It requires the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA Court) to review and approve, or order modifications to, the procedures required by the Act and to ensure that those procedures are consistent with the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

"I can't even read this document, but I don't remember seeing it."

And it requires that information about the implementation of these new procedures be reported to Congress, to ensure that Congress can fulfill its oversight role.

"I'm not even sure this is one I've seen before."

At least annually, the AG and DNI must submit to the FISA Court for review and approval targeting procedures for making that fundamental determination.

"I don't know when I became aware of that."

The Act provides for multiple levels of oversight both within the Executive Branch, including by Department of Justice and Intelligence Community Inspectors General, and in regular reporting to both the Congress and the FISA Court.

"My memory is not perfect."

[SHOULDER SHRUG, SMILE CAMERA LEFT]

The U.S. Constitution:  $6.11, shipped

Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:23:13 PM PDT

I just finished sending copies of the U.S. Constitution to Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid & Jay Rockefeller.

Basically, my note in each packaged said, "You should try reading this sometime" with only a slight variation on each.

It cost $6.11 each, shipped from Barnes and Noble.  They had to be shipped separately obviously, but it was, for me, well worth the cost.

Here's the link/book:

The Constitution of the United States: With the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation

More below the fold...

FISA: Jonathan Turley says, Dems are protecting THEMSELVES.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:51:44 PM PDT

Legal scholar Jonathan Turley was a guest on Countdown last night (watch the MSNBC video here), where Turley concluded to Keith Olbermann that the FISA immunity compromise now happening is most likely because top Dems themselves fear retribution for their complicity in Bush's illegal spying activities.

Jonathan Turley makes the point that several years ago, certain top Dems were intimidated by Bush into quietly going along with Bush's illegal spying activities, and now those same Dems are afraid that they themselves could be held liable for any illegal spying committed by Bush and the Telecomm companies (Turley used the words "an obvious level of [Dem] collusion".)

Keith Olbermann then concluded by saying that the Dems are thus "covering their own asses here".

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Jay Rockefeller and Nancy Pelosi are themselves BushCo criminals.

55%1606 votes
4%126 votes
40%1168 votes

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Our "Democrats" are about to stab us in our collective backs, AGAIN

Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:29:31 PM PDT

Folks, this FISA fight is back with a freakin' vengeance. Kos bloggers like Kagro X today as well as Glenn Greenwald over at Salon have been on top of this issue well.  They've been explaining to us the process to which leaders in our own party are once again ready to derail our efforts to hold Bush and the telecom industry responsible for allegedly illegally wiretapping Americans and breaking FISA laws in the process (I say "allegedly" because we have had no hearings nor have we been able to have access to these records indicating this is truly the case, although the evidence to date directly points to this quite well).  

There have been reports both here and by Greenwald that a deal was in the works for the past couple of months, and now it appears those rumors and reports are completely true.  What's worse, as it's been revealed, this "deal" is nothing but pure capitulation to the Bush Administration in granting full amnesty to the telecos, YET AGAIN.

FISA "deal" could be coming soon

Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:20:07 PM PDT

Yet another (bad) FISA "deal" could be in the offing:

Under the tentative agreement, a major sticking point until now would be resolved by a compromise that would allow a federal district court — not the secret FISA court — to decide about providing retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies being sued for their role in the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program.

It was not immediately clear, however, what standard the court would use to determine whether such immunity was justified.

If that standard is too low, immunity opponents maintain, the law will have been written so that companies are virtually guaranteed immunity — devaluing any claim of court scrutiny.

First reports are that that standard will be too low, and will be that way by design. The people who want this "deal" pushed through think you and the rest of the millions of Americans who don't actually want to be spied on by what purports to be their own government will think it's a victory if the "review" is conducted in federal district court instead of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) established under the original FISA.

But the problem isn't where the review is conducted, it's what constitutes the review.

One source said that the court would review whether there was “substantial evidence” that the companies had received assurances from the government that the administration’s program was legal.

A Senate Intelligence Committee report on an earlier version of the legislation detailed how the companies had received such assurances from the Justice Department and the White House.

Sources said that under the prospective deal, the FISA court would get to review, in advance, the process by which the administration chooses foreign surveillance targets who may be communicating with people in the United States.

In other words, the "dealmakers'" idea of a "compromise" is to let the court decide whether or not someone wrote the telecoms a letter saying it was all OK -- not whether it was OK to write the letter.

Ridiculous.

And how is it that such a monumentally ignorant "deal" was proposed? Look at your dealmakers:

The prospective deal was hammered out at a June 13 meeting that included House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Christopher S. Bond, R-Mo., panel Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV, D-W.Va., House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., and representatives from the Bush administration.

Why is a "deal" about which court will apply what legal standard being decided without any representation from the Judiciary Committee of either the House or the Senate?

Because the people whose job it actually is to set standards of review for the federal courts are being shut out of the process precisely because they know how stupid this "deal" is.

Yes, this bill deals with intelligence collection, and so perhaps you can't deny the intelligence committees a role in its negotiation. But the chief sticking points on this bill are issues that properly fall within the jurisdiction of the judiciary committees. The chairs of those committees -- Rep. John Conyers and Sen. Patrick Leahy -- ought to be taking serious umbrage at this exclusion.

The part everybody agrees on -- that real terrorists and those you can establish a serious suspicion about ought to have their communications monitored -- is the business of the intelligence specialists. And yet there's no disagreement among them or among the rest of the Congressional membership about those issues. The disagreement centers around whether or not anyone ought to monitor the monitors.

And that's where the split lies. The White House and Republicans don't believe anyone can or should do any monitoring of the monitors. They think this is a pure intelligence issue, and that intelligence "agents" -- now really just a network of private contractors, anyway -- ought to have carte blanche "to protect the country." Democrats -- or most of them, anyway -- think someone needs to watch the watcher, and that at least some of that function should fall to the supposedly impartial federal courts. In other words, this sticking point for Democrats is a judiciary issue.

So why is it that the intelligence side is driving the judiciary aspect of this process? Their job is done, and they need to step aside and let people who handle the judiciary deal with this. On the other hand, despite the fact that this really should be a bitter turf battle, it's been some time since we heard anything definitive from either chairman about this.

The essential problem is that the people negotiating this for both parties are all people who place their faith in the intelligence community, and appear to exhibit virtually no skepticism whatsoever about a program designed to permit the gathering of incredibly detailed intelligence about everything done by everyone, with no checks, no oversight, and really, no obligation by the actual government (as opposed to the contractors who actually do this work) to actually get it right and keep their noses out of places even they say it doesn't belong.

Democrats in Congress who will be asked to vote for this "deal" need to hold out for something negotiated by people who actually know and understand the issues at the center of the dispute. And they're not getting it so long as the judiciary issues are being dictated by intelligence people. That's a miserable failure of oversight by the intelligence side, which is overreaching, and the judiciary side, which is underrepresented and underperforming.

62 Senate Dems in 2009 - dare to dream

Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:12:41 AM PDT

I know, I know...it's not likely, but a brother can dream can't he?

Following up on my post from yesterday and incorporating some of the suggestions/corrections from the comments made there, let's take a look at our best case scenario in the November Senate elections.

Right now, we're at 49 Ds, 49 Rs and 2 I's.  When the smoke clears on election night in November we'll be at 62 Ds, 37 Rs and 1 I.
Here's how it's going to happen....

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How many seats will the Dems pick up in November?

10%23 votes
24%55 votes
56%130 votes
6%16 votes
1%4 votes
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The Acceptance Of Unaccountability

Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:03:57 PM PDT

Cross posted from Huffington Post

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