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Gentle reminder: Bush's idea of bipartisan cooperation is and always has been B.S.

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 05:15:44 PM PDT

Think Progress has the story of how George W. Bush and John McCain, both outspoken opponents of Sen. Jim Webb's "new G.I. Bill," which was signed into law in the new Iraq war supplemental (BTW, did you notice that that passed? $160 billion in no-restrictions war money?), are now slapping each other on the back and taking credit for it:

The bill is a result of close collaboration between my administration and members of both parties on Capitol Hill. ... I want to thank members who worked hard for the GI Bill expansion, especially Senators Webb and Warner, Graham, Burr, McCain. This bill shows that even in an election year, Democrats and Republicans can come together to stand behind our troops.

Horseshit, of course. Hell, McCain didn't even show up for the vote on the damn thing.

But isn't it curious that we could see this happen (repeatedly, no less) right before our very eyes, and yet top Democratic strategists can simultaneously believe that voting for Republican FISA and other "national security" bills will actually "neutralize the issues" and shield Dems from attacks?

I guess anything can happen in a world where nobody blinks when the President of the United States and the man he hopes will be his successor both flip-flop that shamelessly. But it makes you wonder why anybody thinks of Republicans as bound by logic.

While the Republicans are busy figuring out whether they can just attack Democratic FISA supporters on FISA anyway, they're wasting no time attacking them on everything else:

Freedom's Watch, a conservative-aligned independent group, is sponsoring radio ads in 16 congressional districts -- bashing Democratic incumbents for their alleged culpability for sky-high gas prices.

"These Members, who claim to be leaders, have gone on vacation and failed to do anything to address the pain people are feeling at the pump and in their wallets," said Carl Forti, director of issue advocacy for the group. "They have done Nancy Pelosi's bidding and repeatedly stood in the way of increasing domestic oil production and exploration, when they should be listening to their constituents."

The targeted Dems?

LA-06 - Rep. Don Cazayoux
MS-01 - Rep. Travis Childers
TX-22 - Rep. Nick Lampson
KS-02 - Rep. Nancy Boyda
WI-08 - Rep. Steve Kagen
TX-23 - Rep. Ciro Rodriguez
OH-18 - Rep. Zack Space
NH-01 - Rep. Carol Shea-Porter
AZ-05 - Rep. Harry mitchell
CA-11 - Rep.Jerry McNerney
GA-08 - Rep. Jim Marshall
FL-16 - Rep. Tim Mahoney
NY-20 - Rep. Kirstin Gillibrand
AZ-08 - Rep. Gabrielle Giffords
PA-10 - Rep. Chris Carney
PA-11 - Rep. Paul Kanjorski

All but Shea-Porter [CORRECTION: and Kagan!] voted "yea" on the FISA bill. Enjoy the rewards!

Hey, at least it's not a FISA attack. Yet.

This Week in Congress/Open Thread

Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:20:16 AM PDT

Another week that starts with a parade of suspension bills. This is not unusual, by the way. The schedule starts to get a little heavy with them towards the end of a session, though, and we're getting to that point with the August recess just weeks away, and the campaign trail looming.

So Monday starts with an exciting array of suspensions, kicking the work day off at 12:30 -- also not unusual for the House. Remember, everybody's flying in from their home districts after the weekend, so starting work at 12:30 isn't the lackadaisical schedule it appears to be. Unlimited one minutes and other morning business (i.e., talking about anything you want to) takes up the early afternoon, then debate -- such as it is -- begins on 12 suspension bills at 2:00, with votes on those bills postponed (pursuant to clause 8 of Rule XX) until 6:30.

Tuesday's still got 22 more suspensions on the slate.

From late Tuesday, when they've dispensed with the suspensions, work begins on bills subject to rules:

  • H.R. 5876 - Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens
  • H.R. 6275 - The Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2008
  • H.R. 3195 - ADA Restoration Act
  • Two Native American land claims bills -- H.R. 4115 and H.R. 2176 -- dealing with claims of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians and the Bay Mills Indian Community, respectively
  • H.R. 6052 - The Saving Energy Through Public Transportation Act of 2008

On the Senate side, work begins at 3:00 today, with no votes expected. Work continues on H.R. 3221, the American Housing Rescue and Foreclosure Prevention Act of 2008, last punted back to the Senate in mid-May.

No floor action is scheduled yet on the supplemental or on FISA, but it's expected early this week, with Congress set to recess after Friday's session for a one-week district work period for the July 4th holiday.

Democrats STFU you sound like chicken hawks on FISA and teleco immunity

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 06:24:27 PM PDT

Shame on Congress, especially shame on Democrats.......You sound like a bunch of Republican chicken hawks!
Republican Chicken hawk: "I support the war, I support the war....but I’m not going to fight on the frontlines, my contribution to Victory (or defeat) will be an occasional vote and lip service"

Democratic Chicken hawk:  I am against war funding without a timetable for withdrawal, I am against retroactive immunity for telecoms......but I am not going to fight on the front lines, with every legislative tools I have to stop them.......I am just going to keep saying I am against it, vote against it when I am sure my vote is in vain, and do nothing more to Stop what I profess to be so completely against having happen.

Dems split 80 for, 151 against war funding. Funding passes.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:20:03 PM PDT

Despite Democrats voting nearly two-to-one against a blank check for the Iraq war, oh, and also despite their holding the majority in the United States House of Representatives, another $150 billion-plus has been appropriated for the war that would pay for itself, and give us 50 cents-a-gallon gas.

UPDATE: Dems go 230-3 for the domestic spending portion of the bill. And happily, the passage of the bill honoring Chi Chi Rodriguez went smoothly, as did yesterday's bill designating April 2008 National Public Radio Appreciation Month. Not a typo. April 2008.

UPDATE 2: War funding roll call vote here.

How to pitch one last battle over FISA

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:29:45 PM PDT

The House currently stands in recess, subject to the call of the chair. That means nothing's going on on the House floor right now, and that's the case because the Rules committee is meeting to work out the procedure under which the Iraq war supplemental will come to the floor later this afternoon.

It's already late afternoon on Thursday, with just one more week in session for the Congress before it breaks for its July 4th recess. Still pending are the supplemental and the FISA bill, two enormously important pieces of legislation that the Congress definitely wants to dispense with before it breaks.

That puts us in a similar position to last December, when Senator Chris Dodd's filibuster of the FISA bill backed the Senate up against the recess wall, and the bill was eventually pulled so that they could finish up other pressing business before their recess.

Under ordinary circumstances, the deals that have been cut on these two bills would pretty much make them a done deal, especially in the House where there's very little capacity to significantly delay a bill for which there is the support of a determined majority. In the Senate, of course, a 60-vote majority can overcome even the famed filibuster power.

But sometimes, all you really need is a delay, and that is something that an equally determined minority -- even a very small one -- can almost always provide, if they're willing to endure varying degrees of the scorn of their colleagues.

In the House, the ground rules of the debate will be set by the Rules committee, as usual. But within the usual procedure used by the chair to put the Rules committee dictates in place are often numerous opportunities to cause delay, none of which are enough by themselves to significantly slow down important legislation, but which together can buy an hour here, an hour there, and pretty soon, you're talking about real time.

For instance, the House is asked for unanimous consent for various procedural and ministerial functions dozens of times during any given day. Most of them are merely requests routinely granted out of courtesy to colleagues, such as unanimous consent requests to insert written material in the record. But others, though equally routine, are requests for things like dispensing with the reading of bills, which can sometimes take hours all by itself. That's a huge waste of time (even though most Members haven't read the bills), and it's routinely dispensed with... unless somebody's pissed off. And then they utter the magic words, "I object." And then we either sit through hours of bill reading, or have to call everyone out of their meetings and onto the floor for a vote authorizing the dispensation of the reading, or whatever it is that's been objected to.

With two highly controversial bills coming down the pike in two days in the House, and the Senate poised to take them up immediately after, the serial objections of Members who want to slow things down can really add a significant burden to the work of passing them. What's more, you don't even really have to object in the end (though you might force a vote if you do, and that's 15 minutes by itself right there). Instead, you can rise and "reserve the right to object," and sometimes go on at some length about why you're thinking of objecting, casting about for some sort of concession or accommodation from the other side before withdrawing or finally asserting your objection. And if you're not the only one with potential objections, well, this can go on for some time.

But in end, House rules make it nearly impossible to hold matters up for much more than a few hours or a day. Twice that, though, if you've got two bills facing the same threat.

And that brings us to the Senate, where the power of a very small minority to delay is considerably greater, though also limited. But if the supplemental were delayed for a day in the House, thus delaying the FISA bill for another day in the House, you'd find FISA not reaching the Senate until early next week -- unless the Senators gave up their weekend to get to it, which is a distinct possibility.

But if FISA and/or the supplemental didn't get to the Senate until next week, and one Senator attempted to "hold" the bill, the bill's supporters would make a motion to proceed, which can overcome the "hold" (which is itself just another form of objecting to unanimous consent). The motion to proceed, however, is itself subject to a filibuster. And if a Senator did in fact begin a filibuster of the motion to proceed, although a cloturemotion could shut him or her down, the Senate by rule must wait two days before voting on cloture, and even if cloture is invoked, it still allows for 30 additional hours of debate before calling things to an end. That's more than three days that it would take just to get to a vote on the motion to proceed.

And if that weren't enough, the underlying bill may be subject to a filibuster as well, though it's possible that the particular procedures used to move these bill could conceivably preclude it. But if not, you'd be looking at another three days. That puts them right up against their recess.

Now, if that were to happen with both the supplemental and FISA (and no, I haven't heard of any combination of Senators who were willing to do that to either one, let alone both), then you could find yourself approaching the end of next week with neither bill complete, and that recess looming. Could they just wait until after the recess and take it up then? Sure. So what's the value of that?

The only value there is that from early July through early August is the last five legislative weeks before the Congress breaks for the national party conventions. The last chance for the parties to frame their issues going into the big show. And the last chance for Barack Obama to be a Senator.

At this point, Barack Obama is the nominal leader of the Democratic Party. He's opposed to retroactive immunity for the telecoms, and everyone who was opposed to it before this so-called "deal" was struck is, you'll notice, still opposed to it, though some have opted to throw up their hands and pretend they're being forced to vote on it.

But a word from Barack Obama at this point would have the potential to change everything. A word from him saying that this "deal" stands in direct contradiction to the agenda he's bringing to the presidential race would weigh heavily on Majority Leader Harry Reid, who's really only getting heavy pressure from Intelligence committee chairman Jay Rockefeller on this, and thus is likely to be inclined (despite his own opposition to immunity) to grease that particular squeaky wheel. There could be a counterbalance from Judiciary chairman Pat Leahy, but so far, we haven't heard that squeak. He's issued a statement saying he opposes the "deal," but he's not pushing the way Rockefeller is pushing. And though Reid is the Majority Leader, that's as much a service position as it is a leadership position. His membership just isn't telling him no. The voices that are speaking with conviction are the voices saying yes.

Barack Obama, though, is the heavyweight in the arena right now, and his voice, properly applied, could be worth a dozen chairmen. But he's not using it, and in fact, there's no guarantee he ever will.

But get us into next week, pitch a fight in the Senate, back the Congress up against the recess wall, and call in the biggest gun we have, and we just might have that snowflake's chance in the hot place.

UPDATE: And here comes the rule for the supplemental, on the floor now.

War money on its way to the floor today

Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 06:49:25 AM PDT

The first report was from the AP, but since they don't like bloggers to use them or link to them, we'll just talk about the facts of their story without burdening them with the traffic. We'll send it to other, friendlier and more web-savvy sources instead.

The news: A deal has been struck on the House side to move an Iraq funding bill.

Details are still emerging, but initial reports (from that news source that doesn't like links) said only that an agreement had been reached, and that the package would include approximately $165 billion in funding for military operations, plus the Webb "GI bill" provisions, Midwest flood relief, and an unemployment benefits extension.

As time -- here measured in mere minutes -- passed, new details emerged. A second AP report that they also don't want links to hinted that Bush was backing away from his earlier threats to veto war funding that was accompanied by significant restrictions on its use, and unemployment benefits that went to people who had worked less than 20 weeks out of the previous year. Bush had also ruled out a provision Blue Dogs had insisted on to pay for the GI bill, that being a 1/2% surtax on top-earning taxpayers.

That seemed rather curious, until a report in The Hill cleared it up:

The compromise bill will include about $165 billion in funding for the Iraq war with no conditions, such as banning torture or blocking a "status of forces agreement" between the Bush administration and the Iraqi government.

It will include a new program, called the "new GI Bill," to pay the college tuition of Iraq and Afghan war veterans, which will be transferable to family members. The cost of the program will be added to the federal deficit, because there will be no offsetting tax increase.

It will extend unemployment benefits by three months, but will require recipients to have worked at least 20 weeks, a requirement Democrats had sought to shorten.

Mmmm, yeah. That smells like a deal to me! In exchange for agreeing to accept $57 billion more for the Iraq war, Bush was willing to allow Democrats to drop their demands for a ban on permanent bases, torture and the SOFA and their demands on expanding eligibility for unemployment benefits. It really must be said that he's truly a generous man.

Should be an interesting vote, if both the Blue Dogs who said they wouldn't vote for GI bill provisions that weren't budget neutral and the 70 other Members who said they wouldn't vote for war funding that didn't have withdrawal language all stick to their guns.*


* Note to McCain campaign: This is not a statement on firearms policy.

UPDATE: The text of the rule they're going to use isn't available yet, but here's how that "interesting vote" is going to be managed. First, the House will have to pass H. Res. 1281, reported from the Rules committee yesterday, which:

Waives clause 6(a) of rule XIII (requiring a two-thirds vote to consider a rule on the same day it is reported from the Rules Committee) against any resolution reported from the Rules Committee on the legislative day of June 19, 2008, providing for consideration or disposition of a measure making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2008

Then they're going to have to cobble together a procedure that waives PAYGO rules so they can shoehorn in the GI bill provisions, and allows for separate votes on the various provisions -- the war money, the GI bill, the unemployment benefits, etc. -- and then have a final vote on a package that includes whatever provisions get a majority along the way.

The end result will be that the progressives can vote against the war money but for the rest of the stuff, the Blue Dogs can vote against the GI bill but for the rest of the stuff, thereby producing a different majority for each of the provisions, and then everybody can throw up their hands and vote for the final package, which will represent "the best we could do despite my opposition to provision X, Y or Z."

Happy C-SPAN viewing, everybody!

Next Iraq funding bill coming soon

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:20:13 AM PDT

Yup. It's that time again.

Bush wants another $108 billion for Iraq, and he's threatening to veto any bill that either comes in higher than that amount, or attempts to impose any restrictions on how the occupation is conducted.

Why would he threaten to veto any bill with more than $108 billion in it?

Well, that depends on why it's there. For instance, if it's money that's added on to pay the educational benefits we promised the volunteers who joined our Armed Forces and fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, well then, it's gonna get vetoed.

When asked about the popular plan to increase education benefits for troops returning from Iraq, however, Bush held firm.

"I made my position very clear to Congress and I will not accept a supplemental over $108 billion or a supplemental that micromanages the war, ties the hands of our commanders," Bush said. "We will work with Congress on these veterans' benefits .... But the $108 billion is $108 billion."

F you, soldier!

And why would those troop "supportin'" Republicans stand for that? Because Republicans hate pork! Unless you prevent them from adding it, that is.

Republicans are howling over what appears to be Nancy Pelosi’s plan to bypass the House Appropriations Committee on the upcoming Iraq war supplemental, complaining that the move will be the beginning of the end of the usual appropriations process and will further consolidate power in the hands of a speaker who already has a lot of it.

Oh noes! The Speaker has power! Well, elections have consequences, as Republicans used to say.

Yes, the Democratic leadership is considering moving the Iraq appropriations bill directly to the House floor rather than sending it through the committee process. That could short circuit a lot of nonsense, like Jerry Lewis's crybaby antics over the inclusion by Democrats of provisions requiring the president to sign waivers when he rotates untrained, unrested, and unarmored troops back into combat. Or responsible grown-up Bill Young's shenanigans in offering a fake withdrawal amendment, which I'm sure was oh-so-hilarious to the troops he can't stop saying he supports.

But the fact is, they haven't decided yet whether they're going to use this procedure or not. Neither do we know for sure whether it's an effort to clamp down on earmarks, or an effort to give shelter to preferred earmarks.

Either way, though, this was kind of hilarious in a "What planet have you been on?" kind of way:

Adds Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), an Appropriations Committee member: "For anyone who cares about the institution, this goes against the democratic process. Someone who is confident of her position would have no problem going through regular order."

Poor Mikey! You'd almost think he cared about the institution. Not that he  cared when Bush took a giant crap on it and instructed "Attorney General" Michael Mukasey to blow off the institution's subpoenas and contempt of Congress citations. Nope. Couldn't be bothered!

Loser.

But there's still one more possible motivating factor, and that's getting this damned bill rammed through with as few stops -- and therefore as few opportunities for examination and/or protest -- as possible.

Why do that? Here's one sentence with two possible reasons. Here's number one:

House Democratic leaders are putting together the largest Iraq war spending bill yet...

Oof!

Here's the second:

...a measure that is expected to fund the war through the end of the Bush presidency and for nearly six months into the next president's term.

Yeah, that kinda sucks, huh? Largest Iraq war spending bill yet. From the Democrats elected in 2006 to end the war. D'oh!

And knowing that there's a decent chance of electing a Democratic president in 2008 to end the war (because logic hasn't ever applied to American elections, and we're not about to start now), Congressional Democrats don't want him or her to have to sully up the honeymoon with any untoward requests. Like, say, billions more dollars for the war everyone says they're ending.

So Bush wants his $108 billion, and he wants it to the penny. If Dems try to smooth the next president's transition into dealing with Iraq, he'll veto the bill -- yet another way to hold the troops hostage to his insane agenda, even while he's out of office. How's that for "reaching across the aisle?" He's reaching across to smack the next president in the face... from beyond the political grave.

This is the president who insists that Congress is not permitted to tie his hands in dealing with Iraq, but who now reserves the right to tie the hands of the next president and the next Congress. And not even to tie them to his Iraq policy. Just to the headaches that come with cleaning up his mess, no matter what that may mean.

George W. Bush truly does hate America.

Pelosi Stands Strong on Iraq Funding-For Now

Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 01:19:26 PM PDT

Cross-Posted from Hat Thief

We're all worried that the Democratic Congress will again capitulate to the man down the street with the 30% approval rating [a.k.a President Bush]. After all, they did so in May by significant margins.

And then we hear this today from Rep. John Murtha, Chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.

I think the ’surge’ is working, but that's only one element...That's because of the increase in troops.

After this, we'd expect that Speaker Pelosi is on the verge of capitulation. But CNN reports Pelosi won't Budge on Troop Pullback Dates

Forget the Timelines, Attatch an Invoice

Fri Nov 23, 2007 at 10:26:21 AM PDT

We are all awaiting yet another showdown on funding for the Iraq war occupation.  Reid and Pelosi insist there must timelines for withdrawal in any funding bill.  Bush insists that he receive only a "clean bill" to fund the troops.  We have been through this dog and pony show before.  With the same tired predictable results.

So here is an idea.  Forget the timelines.  Any timeline that is attached to a funding bill is inevitably subject to so many restriction as to be meaningless.  Instead, Democrats should attach an invoice...

What is the gameplan if it comes to a government shutdown over Iraq funding?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:28 PM PDT

So Reed and Pelosi have announced that unless Bush accepts a timeline for troop withdrawl, the Congress will not fund the $50 Billion request.

Has anyone been thinking about what we should be doing to prepare for a complete shutdown of all government in the event neither Pelosi-Reed nor Bush can find a way to get a bill that both sides will support?

If the standoff drags on, and the result is a government shutdown as happened at the end of 1995, what do we need to have prepared to ensure that the public supports the Congressional Leadership rather than the President in the inevitable "blame game" over who is causing the deadlock.

Chump Change

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:01:24 AM PDT

Former Senator Everett Dirksen had it right.  When talking about the swollen federal budget and the pressure to spend even more, he said, "A billion here; a billion there.  After a while you’re talking about real money."

Senate Democrats and Their Leaders Keep The Casualty Creation Machine Funded, And Funded, and Funded

Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 08:34:13 AM PDT

Russ Feingold is the only Senator, Democratic or Repub, who really wants our troops out of the Iraq hellhole, according to the latest funding votes.  All the rest are keeping Bush's Casualty Creation Machine very well funded.

Senator Durbin has betrayed-us on Iraq occupation funding; updated with a poll!

Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 04:15:37 AM PDT

Dick Durbin, Illinois' senior senator and majority whip, has betrayed-us on Iraq funding, along with the rest of the Senate, save for Feingold (bless him!)

Poll

Which would you prefer as a new nickname for Senator Durbin?

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LAT: Bush wants nearly $200,000,000,000 more for the war.

Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 05:43:46 PM PDT

A few weeks back, the Los Angeles Times reported that Bush would ask for $50 billion more for his war. It was really $50 billion on top of $147 billion. They're covering the story again, with the actual total, but also with a new emphasis.

Here's how they open:

After smothering efforts by war critics in Congress to drastically cut U.S. troop levels in Iraq, President Bush plans to ask lawmakers next week to approve another massive spending measure -- totaling nearly $200 billion -- to fund the war through next year, Pentagon officials said.

Funding kills

Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 04:27:06 PM PDT

I could talk about how being so dependent on another nation like Iraq (where the money pours into and not one damn thing but death comes out) is actually a betrayal to the idea of being an independent nation and that it spits on the dreams of our founding fathers to be an independent nation from all other nations.
But I'll let that go to another diary.
Because well...

It comes down to this.
Continued funding just gets more Americans killed.

This is the rhetoric I've been looking for

Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 05:36:01 PM PDT

Chris Dodd has been crystal clear on this. Now Obama has joined that club.

Obama, who had resisted measures to tie money for the war to a deadline for withdrawal, said Sunday he would no longer support funding measures in the Senate that do not include deadlines.

“We are going to bring an end to this war and I will fight hard in the United States Senate to make sure we don’t pass any funding bill that does not have a deadline,” Obama told the crowd.

Perfect. Now can we hear this from Hillary? A unified front from the Senate presidential candidates on this front -- two of which are the two highest-profile Democrats in the land (Hillary and Barack) would go a long way toward framing the terms of this debate.

Cut off Funding. Congressional approval can't go any lower. What do we have to lose?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 09:57:46 AM PDT

The reason why many Democrats (i.e. Blue Dog/DLC Democrats) are so terrified of actually doing something to end this war (i.e. cut off the funding) is because they’re afraid of political repercussions (i.e. being accused of being "against the troops" or "soft on terror").

Well, if political retribution is what they’re afraid of, they’re already there: the approval rating of the Democratically-controlled Congress is at 18% in the latest Gallup poll.  They’ve hit rock bottom, can’t go any lower.  In other words, what do they have to lose?  What’s the worst that can happen?  Going down to 9% in the polls?  They’re already less popular than Dick Cheney for fuck’s sake, and he’s less popular than cancer.

How quickly will Democrats surrender on Iraq this time around?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 09:29:02 AM PDT

I just thought I'd finish out the work week by asking how quickly you think Democrats will fold like no-talent gamblers after next week's report on Iraq.  A war begun on lies, run rough-shod over a compliant Congress whose weak opposition party had contradictory evidence withheld from it before a crucial vote authorizing the use of force against Iraq.  A war continued for years, beyond the fulfillment of the original authorization, on more lies and excuses.  A war continued even after Democrats were handed control of the Legislature by an American public grown sick and tired of being lied to, manipulated and bled.

Poll

How quickly will Democrats hand Bush more blood money for his war?

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