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New twist to next Iraq $ bill

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:47:22 PM PDT

Congress Daily, via Politico, reports some of the "how" regarding the Democratic leadership's plans to bring the next Iraq funding bill to the floor without going through the appropriations committee:

HOW THEY'LL DO IT: CongressDaily's Christian Bourge and Peter Cohn say Democratic leaders may be able to bypass the appropriations committees by using the "never-enacted FY08 Military Construction Appropriations bill as a vehicle for the war supplemental and other provisions. . . . The bill would function as a 'shell' that would allow Democrats to avoid the usual committee process in both chambers and a formal House-Senate conference. House Democrats could also avoid giving Republicans a shot at procedural motions on the bill during floor votes."

What procedural motions are they looking to avoid? Probably our old friend, the motion to recommit.

But whether they decide to use the abandoned hulk of the MILCON appropriations bill or not, the plan that seems to be gelling is to bring the proposed appropriations to the floor in three parts: one package containing the $108 billion demanded by Bush; one with the proposed Democratic restrictions aimed at bringing the occupation to a close, and; one with additional domestic spending, to help the medicine (or poison, as you prefer) go down.

That's supposed to make liberal Democrats feel good about facing their voters ("I voted against the war funding, but for a withdrawal!") and make conservative Democrats feel good about facing their own ("I voted for the war funding and against the withdrawal!"), with other mixed options thrown in for the people in the middle ("I voted for the war funding, but also for extending unemployment benefits!"). And of course, Democratic challengers get to run against Republicans who voted for the war funding, but against everything else. Which, oddly enough, is what a dozen or so incumbent Democrats are probably going to end up doing.

House Republicans are, predictably, outraged. Said noted crybaby and GOP appropriator Jerry Lewis:

"By doing all three — skipping committee markup, having a limited or closed debate on the floor, and skipping conference committee — the Democrats will effectively shut down any semblance of democratic process in this Congress."

It is terrible, isn't it? Except for a vote on whether or not to give the president the $108 billion he demands for the war, another vote on whether or not to wind the war down and withdraw, and a third vote on whether or not additional money ought to be added for domestic priorities, the Congress will barely have any semblance of democratic process at all!

But Lewis has a point. What Republicans will be missing out on is the opportunity to force a vote aimed at creating an embarrassing attack ad they can run against Democrats in the fall, and as you know, the troops really want that very badly. It's actually what most of them are fighting for, if you think about it. Or, perhaps, if you refuse to. Ever.

You do have to wonder, though, why Democrats at this late date are still having to consider a procedure that does an end-around to avoid a motion to recommit, and why they're doing it on this bill. Recall that last summer, we ended up saddled with the disastrous Protect America Act as a result of the House's inability to find a way around the threat posed by the motion to recommit. So if you're going to attempt a maneuver that has Minority Whip Roy Blunt sayingDems, "are threatening to burn the House down" (probably a better description of what Republicans will be doing in response, actually), why use it to fund a war Democrats say they don't want in the first place? And why not use it to stop a spying bill Bush was forcing down their throats?

Who knows? But that's what they appear to be getting ready to do. Burn down the House for the sake of passing another $100 billion+ in war funding. And maybe, just maybe, topping this off with the whipped cream of caving on FISA, of all things.

Seriously, dudes. One turd per toilet, please. If you're going to bend the rules this hard, all I ask is that you screw Republicans with them just slightly more often than you do Democrats. Is that really so much to ask?

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  •  sometimes, it seems like (5+ / 0-)

    we should have a big garage sale, close up this shop, and move to a country that's not totally fucked by imbeciles in positions of leadership.

    (-8.00,-7.85) "Jesus Christ was the first nonviolent revolutionary." --S. Stills

    by bubbanomics on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:50:31 PM PDT

    •  the trick is find one of those countries (3+ / 0-)

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      Skid, bubbanomics, p gorden lippy

      Despite its imperfections, I'd still take this system of government we have ....it's a matter or being able to co-opt the system to the needs of all its people, rather than the money-grubbing desires of corporations first and foremost.

      It can be done. I believe that, and I'd bet that most commenters of DKos still believe that, too, despite the craven acts of cowardice practiced by those in power, be they GooPers or Democrats.

    •  i feel the same (1+ / 0-)

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      bubbanomics

      kind of deep anxiety and anger.  There are so many forces keeping us down and keeping our government from being a responsible governing body it is mind boggling.  I try to remain positive and believe that things have to turn around -- but they don't.  It could go on and get worse regardless of all the hard work people are doing to stop it. Anyone have any positive news? sigh

  •  Why are we paying for the 100-year occupation (6+ / 0-)

    a few months here and there at a time? Couldn't we get better rates from our foreign bankers if we set up an installment plan?

    •  War on the Installment Plan (0+ / 0-)

      I already have Death on the Installment Plan, so why not war too?

      Workers of the world unite--back by popular demand.

      by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:15:00 PM PDT

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    •  There's an idea. Send bush a $14Trillion (1+ / 0-)

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      Magnifico

      spending bill, with automatic quarterly installments of $100Billion...that'll get us through the next 140 quarters, or 35 years anyway.  And bush will undoubtedly add a signing statement saying he can spend it all up front if he needs to...which I'm sure he will.

      Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

      by darthstar on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:41:40 PM PDT

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  •  In 39 years, I never thought I would (24+ / 0-)

    get to this point again -- but I have reached the hatred level of emotion.  During my 57+ years -- I have only actually viscerally hated once.  I know what that all-consuming feeling actually is -- and don't get sucked into it casually.

    But, to think that this fucking war is backpaged by the media -- where's the FP TM stories on 7 dead soldiers in 48 hours? -- that Congress is playing games with an appropriations bill rather than say -- fuck you -- no money, period, for this criminal enterprise -- that Republicans can give a flying fuck about the lives of our men and woman -- I absolutely, positively hate anyone who blatantly or  covertly allows the next death of soldier or innocent Iraqi.  Stand up, you bastards -- or look at the blood dripping off of your hands.

    Ok, now I'm finished.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:57:02 PM PDT

  •  Additional domestic spending? (2+ / 0-)

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    trog69, Skid

    Any information on that? Like, extending unemployment benefits?

    I can't get my hopes up too much. Knowing how I've been screwed over by this government, I realize it will probably be restricted to those people who are currently receiving them, not those of us who have already exhausted them.

    That seems to be the way this government works.

    That, or they will want proof that I've applied for at least three jobs every week since my benefits expired.

    And then the bill has to pass without edits from jerks who have no idea what it is like to be without an income for an extended period of time.

  •  Seriously, until we throw all these pukes out (1+ / 0-)

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    Navy Vet Terp

    this is how We the People are treated by our wealthy elitist nannies. They are only out for themselves and maintaining their status and power over the rest of us.
    Enough.

    "Its a grave digger's song, Praising God and State. So the Nation can live, So we all can remain as cattle. They demand a sacrifice..." -Flipper

    by Skid on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:02:03 PM PDT

  •  How about NO appropriations bill?! (6+ / 0-)

    Let Bush and Cheney and their rich corporate friends pay for the next bloody year of death and destruction. Better yet, send them to the front.

    When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

    by Rayk on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:05:54 PM PDT

  •  Maybe I'll get thrown off this site (8+ / 0-)

    for being a broken record -- but -- right now there are 150 comments in a troll diary re: Obama and Wright.  There are now two FP diaries (this one included) that actually have something to do with Constitutional issues and the War -- and look at the number of comments.

    Flame me -- but this makes me sick -- together with "Young Teachers Go Wild On The Web" as the top friggin' story for 3 days at WaPo.  I'm ready to move to Zimbabwe where at least people are interested in the destruction of a country.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:08:40 PM PDT

    •  Agree - I'm fucking sick of the nonsense diaries (2+ / 0-)

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      Brooke In Seattle, gchaucer2

      I've enjoyed some great diaries on serious issues like torture and Iran but they just slip off the rec list.

      I don't think enough people here realize how serious an issue Iran is.  Bush/McCain could use it to swing the election, and unless Democrats act very aggressively to stop it, that's exactly what they're going to do.

      Good fucking luck though with Ms. I'm-Tougher-Than-You-Are running for president.

      We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

      by CA Libertarian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:20:46 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, go read the comments onWaPo (2+ / 0-)

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        gchaucer2, CA Libertarian

        or other mainstream news sites on stories about Iran. It makes my blood run cold to read the idiocy spewed there about the only way the US can deal with them is to bomb them flat.

        I don't know who these cretins are, but I'm glad I don't.

        The scary thing is that they probably vote, and vote Republican.

        War is good to them! The more, the better.

  •  Goddammit! Strip away all the ... (5+ / 0-)

    ...bullshit and it amounts to Dems' maneuvering so that they can have it both ways. And in the process may well end up getting nothing.

    Again.

    Again.

    Again.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:10:10 PM PDT

    •  Worse than that. (2+ / 0-)

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      Kagro X's previous post says they're also planning on top of that $108 billion...

      ...a measure that is expected to fund the war through the end of the Bush presidency and for nearly six months into the next president's term.


      This, if true (I'm confused about that), would be their way of avoiding the issue during normal Fiscal 2009 appropriations in September, saving them reminding voters of their craven complicity just before the elections.

      The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. - H.L. Mencken

      by two roads on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:24:01 PM PDT

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    •  Sadly, (0+ / 0-)

      until we take back this circus in November, I think we have little choice but to tread water with the leadership we have.  S-h-u-d-d-e-r.  If I knew thirty years ago I'd be saying this today, . . . .

  •  Call Jerry Lewis (0+ / 0-)

    a wahhhhhhhmbulance.

    Politics is like driving...if you want to go backwards, choose R. If you want to move forward, choose D.

    by fireflynw on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:11:00 PM PDT

    •  wait (0+ / 0-)

      I am against what they are doing, but Im tired of hearing a Republican whine about something they would have done once upon a time if they had thought of it.

      Politics is like driving...if you want to go backwards, choose R. If you want to move forward, choose D.

      by fireflynw on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:13:51 PM PDT

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    •  Jerry Lewis (0+ / 0-)

      Wasn't he under investigation in one of those Republican corruption scandals?  Wasn't he over paid for the services he rendered to donors?

      "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

      by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:30:26 PM PDT

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  •  So very confused... (0+ / 0-)


    Kagro X's previous post says they're also planning on top of that $108 billion...:

    ...a measure that is expected to fund the war through the end of the Bush presidency and for nearly six months into the next president's term.


    Whereas this post says:

    But whether they decide to use the abandoned hulk of the MILCON appropriations bill or not, the plan that seems to be gelling is to bring the proposed appropriations to the floor in three parts: one package containing the $108 billion demanded by Bush; one with the proposed Democratic restrictions aimed at bringing the occupation to a close, and; one with additional domestic spending...


    So where does the funding for the extra 9 months (there are 3 months in Fiscal 2009 before the inauguration) come into the vote?

    The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. - H.L. Mencken

    by two roads on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:16:38 PM PDT

    •  I think I just had it wrong there. (1+ / 0-)

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      kurt

      The vote on the war funding portion of the package will likely contain about $170 billion in spending -- the $108 billion Bush wants, and most of the balance going to fund the war into the next administration.

  •  No semblance of democratic process? (2+ / 0-)

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    trog69, kurt

    Yeah, like Congress's sole power of declaring war?

    How about Congress's enumerated power to set rules for the management of the military?

    How about Congress's enumerated power to control the period of time over which a war may be funded?

    What about impeachment?

    Yeah, what about those democratic processes?

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:16:52 PM PDT

  •  They say (1+ / 0-)

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    trog69

    why use it to fund a war Democrats say they don't want in the first place?

    So they say.  Actions speak louder than words.

    A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:32:02 PM PDT

  •  Why haven't our representatives... (1+ / 0-)

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    kurt

    ...just STOPPED these bills. The Dems have enough of a majority to not FUND them, so just STOP! Fuck your "but, but , but buuuuuuut WE'LL LOOK SOFT ON TERROR AND NOT CARING ABOUT THE TROOPS!!!"

    Fuck that, by not funding the fucking war, the troops will be forced to come home. What is the deal with all of our reps and people looking at the President as some position that should be honored and worshiped like a king? Totalitarianism is on the rise!

  •  One turd per toilet? That thing hasn't been (0+ / 0-)

    flushed since 1994.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:38:55 PM PDT

  •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

    "...effectively shut down any semblance of democratic process in this Congress."

    Bush has took care of that years ago.

  •  Will of the people (0+ / 0-)

    Have any of these maroons ever heard of the phrase?  You call this a government?  Hell, my niece in kindergarten in ten seconds could see this baloney is not in any way connected to how the founding, continuing, or visionary documents we so "revere" say things ought to be done.

    Give her twenty, and she could describe in her own less cynical words than mine how someone pissing in your pocket is not the same as rain.

  •  Our elected Dems will rubber-stamp another (0+ / 0-)

    $108 billion check for this waste.  Bush should ask these weaklings for $1 trillion -- they would probably approve that, too.

    There is no accountability in DC.

  •  so, do we want to start a pool (0+ / 0-)

    on what margin the Dems cave in by THIS time?

    Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

    by Lenny Flank on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:29:16 PM PDT

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